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Review: Attacking Atheisim with Atheism itself. Good Catholic and Christian reading for today, where biblical truths are ignored. - I have long been using apologetics and bits and pieces of arguments G.K. Chesterton uses on both adult and young adults of high school age. I want to say that the strongest argument, as Chesterton, and as now I, see it, is that the best way to come to Orthodoxy, or the Creed, is atheism, Darwinism and Materialism themselves. Before I say what it is, I will say what Orthodoxy is not. It is not a philosophical debate over atheism vs. belief in God. It is an experiential journey of G.K. Chesterton, who followed the path of atheism, which was very entrenched in the educational system of England in the late 1800's (as it is now). He judges the "fruits" of all these -isms, which are not involved in the way, the truth, and the light, and in many cases diametrically opposed to Truth. The materialist philosopher (Darwinists, relativists) arguments contradict themselves laying the way for the way, the truth and the light. Since the present age has all but forsaken philosophy, it also was unwittingly laid to waste common sense. Chesterton is the "Apostle of Common Sense" and Orthodoxy is his swan song. Do not become discouraged by the discussion of the maniac, lunatic and asylum which are the first items of the book. He compares some of the great thinkers, with their universally appealing laws, to the lunatics. How can this be that these individuals of higher learning, such as Nietzsche, can explain everything by such small arguments? Chesterton argues that indeed they do explain the universe, but the universe they explain is a very small universe. Even though the circle is infinite, the circle is a very small one! 3 pence in diameter he states. Insomuch the attack is not against dogmas of Catholicism and Christianity, but attacks against human thinking. The killing of thought itself, which is the only thought that should be censored. If there is any unwavering dogma, it is the dogma against miracles. No matter what is put forth in terms of the miracle, there is an predisposition against it. Nietzsche, and others like him, which Chesterton one by one fillets are "...wrong not by error of their arguments, by the manifest mistake of their whole lives." The Christian may have doubts, and he can take two conflicting items and the conflict as well and move on. The dogma of the materialist or Darwinist (or any of the isms) can have no exceptions. Chesterton makes not excuse for God's complexity, but just states that it is. In a way, Orthodoxy is much like "City of God" by St. Augustine in one aspect, it provides convincing arguments against gods that we have set up in front of the real God and the real Truth. Augustine (400 AD) explains why Christianity is not responsible for the fall of Rome (but like the phoenix, or a sinking ship with a cross, sinks, but comes back to life again, it becomes a submarine, and miraculously reemerges). If Christianity were a fad, that fad would have died with Rome. But as Chesterton points out, it is one of the only things that did survive the fall of Rome. Chesterton takes the atheists, of which he was one at one time, to task one at a time, as Augustine took the Roman gods to task one at a time. In the case of Nietzsche, he was insane at the end of his life. Chesterton comments that if he had not gone insane, his followers would have. After we get through the hard part of the beginning of the book, the maniac (the self reliant man being part of this), there is a whole different way of looking at our universe that Chesterton put forth for our contemplation. He shows how man is basically Mystical. And he lays down the stories of childhood as superior to the morbid philosophies. He helps us reclaim the sense of wonder. He keeps logic in its place, showing the many logical items and concepts conveyed. He ridicules the philosophies that begin on an unfounded base. And the rest of their philosophy that follows is not grounded. He looks at the philosophers who criticize Christ, and try to slice him up into a gentle, kind moralist, who speaks some truths. Under this view, he becomes like monster with his arm and leg sawed off. Chesterton points out that it is not a nervous breakdown that happens when Christ overturns tables in the Temple, but a truth-speaking thing, that aligns with his other actions. Chesterton says that Christ is a seamless garment, which cannot be parted out. His divinity, and miracles that go with it, are intertwined with his humanity. Audio books is a great way to introduce ourselves and others into these old (1905 copyright) concepts. Do not get bogged down by unfamiliar philosophers or poets, but take in what you can take in. And as in any classic book, you will be back for more.
Review: Work, mind and heart of an extraordinary human being: perfect. (desertcartClassics Edition) - "The steps a man takes, since the day of his birth till his death, draw in the time an inconceivable figure. The Divine Intelligence intuits immediately that figure, in the same way the men intuit a triangle (...)" these words are in a little footnote of an essay by Borges, many years ago. Chesterton, nor any human being, has not that infinite intelligence, but after reading Orthodoxy I think he goes well beyond the intelligence of most persons, I believe he can discover the difficult philosophies in history and perceive their pattern and essence as easily as a man can intuit a triangle or a circle. This is my review of what I felt. Is awe-inspiring. Orthodoxy is a kind of biography but of ideas, actually each page is like a natural paradise full of ideas and thoughts, I enjoyed reading it bit by bit until feel I was reading with understanding (my intelligence is not as vast as Chesterton's powerful creativity). This primal garden is so different than to the irreal excess of philosophers, reading them is like seeing vast forests made of only one tree, or feverish labyrinths of thought, marvelous and complex explanations, but devoid of reality and full of ego; or even worse many times philosophy ends being a philosopher commenting for and about other philosophers. Chesterton in that aspect is superior: he is not naive nor credulous. He read and he has life experience, heart and reasoning, he can talk about philosophies but he does from a place I feel real. I am not Catholic (although I admire the institution of the Catholic church), this book cannot convert me because I am from another continent and culture; but definitively I understand why Chesterton converted to Catholicism. I appreciate him even more for that, I think rather than inherit religions is better for the spirit if each person would awaken by own means to a religion or belief. The only another author that has made me feel the same as Chesterton with this book (I don't recall how many I have read) is Augustine of Hippo, another converse to the Catholic Church, he had that complete conversion too, not only of heart, or mind, but as a complete human being. The desertcartClassics Edition is, for this book, possibly the best around. There is the useful X-Ray for the many names mentioned, and for those that not there is the built-in option of Wikipedia. The formatting is professional and exemplary. The typography is clean and modern. All in all is very comfortable to read, but what makes it invaluable to me is that there is no introductions, studies, footnotes or any interference by sages or intellectuals, as I want to read a book and think by myself. In that aspect these editions are the best in Kindle. There is only a respectful short biography at the end. Choosing this edition you are reading a flawless edition that feels as fresh as the day it was published.

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### ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Attacking Atheisim with Atheism itself. Good Catholic and Christian reading for today, where biblical truths are ignored.
*by T***L on March 25, 2016*

I have long been using apologetics and bits and pieces of arguments G.K. Chesterton uses on both adult and young adults of high school age. I want to say that the strongest argument, as Chesterton, and as now I, see it, is that the best way to come to Orthodoxy, or the Creed, is atheism, Darwinism and Materialism themselves. Before I say what it is, I will say what Orthodoxy is not. It is not a philosophical debate over atheism vs. belief in God. It is an experiential journey of G.K. Chesterton, who followed the path of atheism, which was very entrenched in the educational system of England in the late 1800's (as it is now). He judges the "fruits" of all these -isms, which are not involved in the way, the truth, and the light, and in many cases diametrically opposed to Truth. The materialist philosopher (Darwinists, relativists) arguments contradict themselves laying the way for the way, the truth and the light. Since the present age has all but forsaken philosophy, it also was unwittingly laid to waste common sense. Chesterton is the "Apostle of Common Sense" and Orthodoxy is his swan song. Do not become discouraged by the discussion of the maniac, lunatic and asylum which are the first items of the book. He compares some of the great thinkers, with their universally appealing laws, to the lunatics. How can this be that these individuals of higher learning, such as Nietzsche, can explain everything by such small arguments? Chesterton argues that indeed they do explain the universe, but the universe they explain is a very small universe. Even though the circle is infinite, the circle is a very small one! 3 pence in diameter he states. Insomuch the attack is not against dogmas of Catholicism and Christianity, but attacks against human thinking. The killing of thought itself, which is the only thought that should be censored. If there is any unwavering dogma, it is the dogma against miracles. No matter what is put forth in terms of the miracle, there is an predisposition against it. Nietzsche, and others like him, which Chesterton one by one fillets are "...wrong not by error of their arguments, by the manifest mistake of their whole lives." The Christian may have doubts, and he can take two conflicting items and the conflict as well and move on. The dogma of the materialist or Darwinist (or any of the isms) can have no exceptions. Chesterton makes not excuse for God's complexity, but just states that it is. In a way, Orthodoxy is much like "City of God" by St. Augustine in one aspect, it provides convincing arguments against gods that we have set up in front of the real God and the real Truth. Augustine (400 AD) explains why Christianity is not responsible for the fall of Rome (but like the phoenix, or a sinking ship with a cross, sinks, but comes back to life again, it becomes a submarine, and miraculously reemerges). If Christianity were a fad, that fad would have died with Rome. But as Chesterton points out, it is one of the only things that did survive the fall of Rome. Chesterton takes the atheists, of which he was one at one time, to task one at a time, as Augustine took the Roman gods to task one at a time. In the case of Nietzsche, he was insane at the end of his life. Chesterton comments that if he had not gone insane, his followers would have. After we get through the hard part of the beginning of the book, the maniac (the self reliant man being part of this), there is a whole different way of looking at our universe that Chesterton put forth for our contemplation. He shows how man is basically Mystical. And he lays down the stories of childhood as superior to the morbid philosophies. He helps us reclaim the sense of wonder. He keeps logic in its place, showing the many logical items and concepts conveyed. He ridicules the philosophies that begin on an unfounded base. And the rest of their philosophy that follows is not grounded. He looks at the philosophers who criticize Christ, and try to slice him up into a gentle, kind moralist, who speaks some truths. Under this view, he becomes like monster with his arm and leg sawed off. Chesterton points out that it is not a nervous breakdown that happens when Christ overturns tables in the Temple, but a truth-speaking thing, that aligns with his other actions. Chesterton says that Christ is a seamless garment, which cannot be parted out. His divinity, and miracles that go with it, are intertwined with his humanity. Audio books is a great way to introduce ourselves and others into these old (1905 copyright) concepts. Do not get bogged down by unfamiliar philosophers or poets, but take in what you can take in. And as in any classic book, you will be back for more.

### ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Work, mind and heart of an extraordinary human being: perfect. (AmazonClassics Edition)
*by R***. on February 12, 2020*

"The steps a man takes, since the day of his birth till his death, draw in the time an inconceivable figure. The Divine Intelligence intuits immediately that figure, in the same way the men intuit a triangle (...)" these words are in a little footnote of an essay by Borges, many years ago. Chesterton, nor any human being, has not that infinite intelligence, but after reading Orthodoxy I think he goes well beyond the intelligence of most persons, I believe he can discover the difficult philosophies in history and perceive their pattern and essence as easily as a man can intuit a triangle or a circle. This is my review of what I felt. Is awe-inspiring. Orthodoxy is a kind of biography but of ideas, actually each page is like a natural paradise full of ideas and thoughts, I enjoyed reading it bit by bit until feel I was reading with understanding (my intelligence is not as vast as Chesterton's powerful creativity). This primal garden is so different than to the irreal excess of philosophers, reading them is like seeing vast forests made of only one tree, or feverish labyrinths of thought, marvelous and complex explanations, but devoid of reality and full of ego; or even worse many times philosophy ends being a philosopher commenting for and about other philosophers. Chesterton in that aspect is superior: he is not naive nor credulous. He read and he has life experience, heart and reasoning, he can talk about philosophies but he does from a place I feel real. I am not Catholic (although I admire the institution of the Catholic church), this book cannot convert me because I am from another continent and culture; but definitively I understand why Chesterton converted to Catholicism. I appreciate him even more for that, I think rather than inherit religions is better for the spirit if each person would awaken by own means to a religion or belief. The only another author that has made me feel the same as Chesterton with this book (I don't recall how many I have read) is Augustine of Hippo, another converse to the Catholic Church, he had that complete conversion too, not only of heart, or mind, but as a complete human being. The AmazonClassics Edition is, for this book, possibly the best around. There is the useful X-Ray for the many names mentioned, and for those that not there is the built-in option of Wikipedia. The formatting is professional and exemplary. The typography is clean and modern. All in all is very comfortable to read, but what makes it invaluable to me is that there is no introductions, studies, footnotes or any interference by sages or intellectuals, as I want to read a book and think by myself. In that aspect these editions are the best in Kindle. There is only a respectful short biography at the end. Choosing this edition you are reading a flawless edition that feels as fresh as the day it was published.

### ⭐⭐⭐⭐ a personal account of belief
*by C***M on February 7, 2011*

I recently read back-to-back MacIntyre's After Virtue and Chesterton's Orthodoxy. Although I've been meaning to read these both for over a decade, I decided to do it now and together as I had conceived a project to read them together with Julius Evola's Revolt Against the Modern World as three views of anti-modernism: MacIntyre as a reformed modernist, Evola as a radical reactionary, and Chesterton as a defender of the status quo of the old order. This project didn't quite work out as MacIntyre and Chesterton turned out not to be quite what I thought. Although it's true that MacIntyre made the trip from Marxism to classicism and Catholicism, After Virtue is less an attempt to disabuse us of Marxism than an attempt to re-ground a form of corporatism in a pre-modern mode that would not be subject to the devastating critiques presented by advocates of modern liberal capitalism. And although it's also true that Chesterton defends orthodox Roman Catholicism, he makes no attempt to defend the status quo per se and, in fact, embraces Catholicisim as a stable ground from which he can ask for the dissolution of the traditional social structure. As against these two, Evola is quite another type as he has no interest in ethics' relationship to the distribution of goods; his is an otherworldly and inegalitarian philosophy. In a most general way, MacIntyre argues that reason has been shown incapable of providing a basis for ethics since reasoning requires some starting point outside itself. For MacIntyre, this starting point is our mutual social life and experience of society. Interestingly, Chesterton goes part way toward some of the same analyses as MacIntyre. Both After Virtue and Orthodoxy start from the assumption of the failure of pure reason. For MacIntyre, this is due to a lack of ends, while for Chesterton it is due to a lack of mysticism (Chesterton's word for unexamined assumptions about reality). Reasoning without pre-conditions is shown to be (a) incomplete and incoherent and (b) unhealthy and counterproductive. Chesterton then goes on to examine a number of ethical systems that all fail in one way or another for a lack standards. He brings in the classical-Catholic view of virtues here and argues that some modes of ethics fail for lacking the proportionality of the virtues. Nietzsche fails for being unable to distinguish between willing the good of being a prince and that of a pauper. If these arguments seem unreasonable and based in socially constructed standards, it must be remembered that Chesterton has already dismissed pure reason without a ground of assumptions. Having dismissed modern rationalist theories, Chesterton goes on to explain the assumptions from which he reasons, that is, his own personal mysticism so to speak. Chesterton's mysticism is a conglomeration of principles such as the assumption of design in beauty, a bias in favor of optimism against pessism, and a desire for social reform. He is quite straightforward in admitting that he developed these assumptions in childhood and makes no attempt to defend them. He is, at least, an introspective thinker who has probably more honesty about himself than most thinkers. Chesterton's argument for Christian orthodoxy, then, is essentially that orthodoxy is the philosophy most at home in Chesterton's world of assumptions. This is not a good argument for why you should be orthodox, but it is a perfectly acceptable account for why Chesterton is, and this is all he claimed to be doing in his book. Is it a good or relevant book for us? I think Chesterton assumes that his assumptions are very similar to our own, although I'm not sure that's true in our time and place. Beyond this, although I have sketched a very broad outline of Chesterton's theme or point, his book is filled with a multidude of tiny arguments upon which his theme relies, and I'm not sure they are all good. For example, in discussing Carlyle, he confuses Christianity's attitude toward the state of the soul with a doctrinal assumption that he who least wants to rule ought to be chosen as the ruler. This may be a good guide for choosing a Pope, but it is simply an empirical question whether it is a good guide for choosing a king or a member of parliament. On this point, orthodoxy does not support his levelling political instinct. This is one example, but the book is filled with questionable assumptions and questionable conclusions. Chesterton even at times argues against himself, taking two opposite views at different places in order to score rhetorical points. Orthodoxy is not in any way an argument for orthodoxy in the way we have come to expect arguments. However, Chesterton is not an unreasonable or unpleasant person, and it's possible that one could find the totality of his worldview overwhelming even while rejecting its specifics. His writing is inconsistent and trends from being poetic and insightful to being boorish and repetitive. Whether or not you get much out it depends on what you bring to it, I think. This edition/printing of the book is cheap and looks okay on the outside, but the font and page layout make it difficult to read. I would choose another printing if I were to start over again.

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