Thrive The Third Metric to Redefining Success and Creating a Life of Well Being Wisdom and Wonder
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Author One-on-One: Arianna Huffington and Mark Hyman
Arianna Huffington and Mark Hyman discuss Arianna's new book Thrive: The Third Metric to Redefining Success and
Creating a Life of Well-Being, Wisdom, and Wonder.
Arianna Huffington is the chair, president, and editor-in-chief of the Huffington Post Media Group, a nationally
syndicated columnist, and author of fourteen books. Mark Hyman, MD is a seven-time New York Times bestselling
author—Including the recently released Blood Sugar Solution 10-Day Detox Diet—founder and medical director of The
UltraWellness Center in Lenox, Massachusetts and Chairman of The Institute for Functional Medicine.
Mark Hyman: Arianna, in Thrive you talk about our need to redefine success beyond money and power to include what
success means to us and that to live a truly successful life we need to integrate well-being, wisdom, wonder, and giving
into our lives. You open the book describing your collapse in 2007 from exhaustion leading to a broken cheekbone and a
round of visits to doctors and hospitals for tests. You were clearly running on empty, as I know so many people are—tell
us about that experience and how it led to your larger wake-up call in terms of health and well-being.
Arianna Huffington: I had my personal wake-up call on April 6, 2007, when I found myself on the floor in a pool of
blood. I had collapsed from exhaustion, breaking my cheekbone and cutting my eye. I was working eighteen-hour days to
build The Huffington Post, while being a mom to my two teenage daughters. What this wake-up call taught me was that even
though I was considered successful by our society's conventional measures of success, I was not living a successful life
by any sane definition of success. Something had to radically change in my life.
As I've learned firsthand, overwork, stress, and sleep deprivation have profound effects on virtually every part of our
lives. Our current model of success is not working for anyone. It’s not working for women, and really, it's not working
for men either.
Mark Hyman: All so true. Stress really does impact your physical well-being, which is why I loved your discussion of
the power of meditation in our lives to relieve stress and bring balance. You make the point that even a brief
meditative moment can have a restorative effect. Tell us more about that and your daily practice.
Arianna Huffington: There is more and more scientific evidence about the impact of mindfulness and meditation in our
lives. The list of all the conditions that these practices impact for the better—depression, anxiety, heart disease,
memory, aging, creativity—sounds like a label on snake oil from the 19th century! Except this cure-all is real, and
there are no toxic side effects. Indeed, 2013 was the year when meditation and mindfulness finally and overwhelmingly
stopped being seen as something vaguely flaky, vaguely New Age-y, definitely California, and fully entered the
I personally start every morning with at least 20 to 30 minutes of meditation. If you're just beginning, you can start
by introducing 5 minutes of meditation into your day. Even just a few minutes will open the door to creating a new
habit—and all the many proven benefits it brings.
Mark Hyman: Throughout the book you caution against the dangers of living in a permanently connected state. I agree
that it is a growing problem in society today. I know over Christmas you participated in a digital detox yourself. Is it
truly possible to disconnect, even when you are running the biggest online news site in the world?
Arianna Huffington: I'm happy to say that yes, it is possible! I spent the week between Christmas and New Year’s in
Hawaii with my daughters, my sister, and my ex-husband—with no TV and no social media. Almost immediately, I was floored
by the realization of just how much my phones had become almost physical extensions of myself—I would instinctively
reach for them like phantom limbs! Unplugging meant rediscovering and savoring the moment for its own sake. Which is to
say, taking in a view without tweeting it. Eating a meal without Instagramming it. Hearing my daughters say something
hilarious and very shareable without sharing it. The unplugged version of myself was better able to give these things my
full attention. And when I came back to the office, I was truly refreshed.
Mark Hyman: All important points. What do you want to see readers take away from this book?
Arianna Huffington: In the book, I pull together three threads: my personal journey and my hard-earned lessons;
scientific studies about the importance of slowing down, sleep, meditation, and disconnecting from our devices; and many
daily practices, tools, and techniques that can begin to transform our lives.
I very much hope that the book will chart another way forward—a way available to all of us right now, wherever we find
ourselves. A way based on the timeless truth that life is shaped from the inside out—a truth that has been celebrated by
spiritual teachers, poets, and philosophers throughout the ages, and has now been validated by modern science.
So I very much hope that the book will help make room in our definition of success for well-being, wisdom, wonder, and
giving, and help us move from knowing what we need to do to actually doing it.